Do you believe this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My opinion is: it's just a theory. That article alone is not enough to convince me a day in the Bible is 24 hours. </div></div>
Well that is fair. I just encourage all of us to study it more.

[R0cketer]

Ok so no dinosaurs, they are just made up right because they aren't mentioned. Now if dinosaurs date back as long as they supposedly do, and the New Testament and Old Testament go into the 2000-3000-5000 range, what happened? Dinosaurs then God created earth. God created Earth, then Dinosaurs but nobody knew, etc?

You can more than fine say a day is 24 hours (although I'm curious where that thought came to be, since I doubt that the first thing that happened, or I must have missed it in the Bible where it said and God said a day is 24 hours long), but since you have studied it all so much, where does the concept of dinosaurs, prehistoric in general come in or fit in? I mean surely there was something in the original text that you have read.

[plantsman]

My partial opinion, for what it's worth: I believe that the universe that God created was originally perfect. However, when the fall of man came, so too came a decline in the world's perfection (as explained in the second law of thermodynamics). Things are deteriorating at an exponential (rather than a linear) rate, and consequently, I think time itself may be slowing down. In essence, I think God very well may have created the universe in seven literal days and that the earth may only be a little over 6000 years old.

With that said, there are volumes of information written on this topic, of which it would take my feeble mind several lifetimes to read and still not fully comprehend. For anyone with a true interest in the topic, read/study/pray, etc. and arrive at your own conclusions. Just my opinion.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R0cketer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok so no dinosaurs, they are just made up right because they aren't mentioned. Now if dinosaurs date back as long as they supposedly do, and the New Testament and Old Testament go into the 2000-3000-5000 range, what happened? Dinosaurs then God created earth. God created Earth, then Dinosaurs but nobody knew, etc?

You can more than fine say a day is 24 hours (although I'm curious where that thought came to be, since I doubt that the first thing that happened, or I must have missed it in the Bible where it said and God said a day is 24 hours long), but since you have studied it all so much, where does the concept of dinosaurs, prehistoric in general come in or fit in? I mean surely there was something in the original text that you have read.



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I never said they did not exist. I said that they were never mentioned in the Bible. In the book of Job and Genisis words were used to describe mammoth animals with tails like a cedar tree... so we know an Elephant does not have a tail like that.. so it could be talking about a dino here.. never know. Remember God said let there be light and there was.. so God only has to speak it into existance not labor over it... so I do not believe it took him 6 thousand years to speak it into existance do you? Where the dino's before or after or during the creation of man? I really do not know and probably will not know until I get to heaven and ask Jesus. But was they here? Well, we have scientific evidence that yes they were.. so I would say yes.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My partial opinion, for what it's worth: I believe that the universe that God created was originally perfect. However, when the fall of man came, so too came a decline in the world's perfection (as explained in the second law of thermodynamics). Things are deteriorating at an exponential (rather than a linear) rate, and consequently, I think time itself may be slowing down. In essence, I think God very well may have created the universe in seven literal days and that the earth may only be a little over 6000 years old.

With that said, there are volumes of information written on this topic, of which it would take my feeble mind several lifetimes to read and still not fully comprehend. For anyone with a true interest in the topic, read/study/pray, etc. and arrive at your own conclusions. Just my opinion.
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I believe that also... I also encourage everyone to study it. But in reality it has nothing to fo with our salvation but it sure is fun learing and gaining knowledge about topics such as this. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[imported_ut1]

It takes more faith to believe in evolution, per se, than it does to believe in an intelligent being (God) creating it all.
Evolution is presented as theory, while the Bible has proclaimed throughout the centuries that God is the Creator.

[imported_MoonlightGraham]

Assuming you do believe in Evolution, what form do you favor? punctuated equilibrium or gradualism.

I think its hard not to accept the fact that some sort of evolution has occured. We as humans evolve everyday.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

[NotSoSilentBob]

A day is a day. On this planet, 24 hours (or just a little more or less).

[imported_ut1]

I do not believe in "the evolution theory". I do believe that we "evolve", that is we change, but that is called "aging and maturing". However, as far as I know, we still have one heart, two lungs, etc., just like Adam did. We're not capable of sprouting wings or gills, no matter how much time we spend in the air or in the water. We are exactly as God intended us to be. I have no explanation of dinosaurs and the "Six Days of Creation", but I believe in both of them. I believe that God can do whatever He pleases in whatever time frame He pleases. As someone else said, I'll don't know it all, but I will one day. Right now I'll just have to be content with being a know-it-all. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

[Gotch]

Evolution: Let's break it down first.

Micro evolution: This is a term that the creationist movement coined but it is valid. It describes what many on this thread are talking about, mutation. Adapting to ones environment, changes within a species to better suit a changing situation. This is a proven fact, it exists. It is not evolution. It is mutation. Mutation does not equate to species to species evolution.

Macro evolution: This is what is necessary for the Darwin theory the be correct. At some point the number of mutations create a new species. This is actual evolution as described in Darwin's work. This has not been proven and no real or indisputable evidence for it can be shown. In fact although a large percentage of scientists are firm believers in evolution (of course) the one field of science from which questions often arise is the science of genetics. DNA experts (many of them) simply deny that species to species evolution is possible according to our current knowledge of DNA.

The evolutionary movement often ridicules creationist teachings but it is the evolutionists who have been caught red-handed on numerous occasions playing fast and loose with facts and evidence.

The entire recapitulation theory is a prime example.

Do any of you remember being taught that the human fetus goes through the various stages of evolution? It has gills, it has a tail, etc.? Did you know that this entire theory was disproven in the 1920'2 by the science of embryology? The 1920's!!!

Yet it was taught as fact in our schools simply because it was a good teaching tool for the evolutionist movement. So teaching something that is proven false is cool as long as it fits your needs? And for 60+ years?!?!?!

This is just one example of outright fraud taught as fact to further a cause. There have actually been numerous examples like this. Monkey skulls being passed off as human evolutionary intermediaries. Moths pinned to trees by Darwin himself and then their being there used as evidence of evolution. Etc., etc.

It takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to believe in intelligent creation.